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Para que no se diga que solo se busca el queso a la tostada, aca unas declaraciones negativas del CINC de la Aviación naval del Baltico en 2004, donde habla acerca del status de sus unidades y contraria algunas afirmaciones del CINC de la VVS Mijailov.

Se ha de decir que el estado de la AV-MF Flota Báltico no se puede conjugar a la del VVS porque el primero recibe su presupuesto como parte de la Marina (VMF) y la segunda independientemente

Voy a buscar las declaraciones del CINC Mijailov que dieron lugar a estas contra-declaraciones, de todas maneras todo esto fué hace 13 meses, de todos modos interesante.

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - JANUARY 28, 2004

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Russia's combat aviation in 'uncontrollable' decline
Nikolai Novichkov JDW Correspondent
Moscow

The official statement that Russia's air combat capability in 2003 was healthy and improving has come under fire from high-ranking aviation generals.

Lt Gen Victor Sokerin, commander of the Russian Federation Navy's (RFN's) Baltic Fleet naval aviation, and Maj Gen Oleg Kolyada, the Russian Federation Air Force's (RFAF's) chief of flight security, have described a very different state of capability to the official 'healthy' claims made by Col Gen Vladimir Mikhailov, RFAF commander (JDW 21 January).

Gen Sokerin considers the RFAF is experiencing an uncontrollable disintegration of its combat aviation. He says maritime aviation has few servicemen with sufficient skills to perform combat duties and claims the situation is not much better in other aviation services. Navy and army aviation are staffed with officers fresh from five years' training whose flying experience is just a few hours, flown mostly with an instructor pilot.

At present, the age of experienced specialist aircrew in the Baltic Fleet air force and air defence force has risen by 10-15 years and keeps growing. There are no interceptor pilots under 36 and only 2% are below 40. Only 3% of first- and second-class pilots are under 36 and just 1% of interceptor navigators are under 40, while 11% of first- and second-class navigators are under 36. Sixty per cent of crew commanders are over 35, with half of them over 40.

In five years' time, according to Gen Sokerin, there will be no-one to carry out combat tasks since all first-class pilots will have retired. Over the last 12 years, the number of aircrew in the Baltic Fleet has fallen by more than a third. The pilots' flying time on the fleet's Sukhoi fighter/strike aircraft is a mere five to seven hours per year because only 10% of the required minimum allocation of aviation fuel is available. Around 50% of pilots make no more than one flight in a year - and then only to qualify for the pilot's food ration and a meritorious service record.

Personnel handling flight preparation and air traffic control (ATC) have to a large extent lost their skills because of the infrequency of flights. No more than three or four aircraft are in the air simultaneously and many officers have no idea how to prepare and control the operation of any type of aircraft in their aviation regiments. The rapid deployment of air power in time of threat or a boost of allocations to the RFAF, which is unlikely, could result in an increased accident rate, predicted to be higher than that sustained during the 1960s reorganisation.

The RFAF has no reserve of senior commanders - a situation that is of great concern to Gen Kolyada, who says that most air accidents occur because of insufficient experience of ATC personnel. Of special concern to him is the lack of discipline standards required for combat among flying staff, technicians and commanders of some aviation units.

Gen Kolyada believes that the unit commanding officers are particularly incompetent in organisation of flying missions. Some squadron/regiment commanders and their deputies do not have the required skills and experience in this field. This decline of professional skills among flying personnel results from the lack of regular flying and the scarcity of intense training exercises. Average flying time per year is between 25 and 60 hours with frontline pilots averaging around 40 hours. It is accepted that not every pilot today is capable of fulfilling a combat task that checks with his 'paper' qualifications. In 2003, the RFAF logged 11 air accidents.


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Finalmente para terminar la tarea :)

Aca hay dos articulos con entrevistas al CINC VVS Mijailov del periodo Enero del 2004 cuando se lanza la contra-replica del CINC AV-MF Flota Báltico.

Con cariño para el foro :)

Subrayo lo importante, y entre parentisis mis notas

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - JANUARY 21, 2004

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Russian air force details plans for 2004
HENRY IVANOV JDW Correspondent
Moscow

Russian Federation Air Force (RFAF) Commander-in-Chief Col Gen Vladimir Mikhailov has announced that one battery of the new-generation Almaz-Antei S-400 long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system will become operational in 2004.

Nota de Pit: La primera batería con 6 lanzadores de S-400 Triumf entró en servicio en Enero del 2005 en el DM de Moscú

The announcement follows comments by Russian President Vladimir Putin that the RFAF's share of overall Ministry of Defence (MoD) expenditure for this year was too small, placing the air force in eighth position on the MoD's list of budgeting priorities.

Gen Mikhailov attributed the air force's small share to "inertia of thinking". Before absorbing the then-independent Air Defence Force, the two independent services "each received 15-16%" of the defence budget. "Now we are merged, but the air force share remains at almost the same level," Gen Mikhailov said. To raise funds, the air force is permitted to sell "redundant and excessive hardware" to industry or, via the Rosoboronexport state weapons export agency, to foreign countries. "We have had some success and intend to continue this in 2004," Gen Mikhailov added.

Once Putin requests the defence ministry to revise its acquisition plans, the RFAF is expected to receive additional funding in 2004-05. During this period the service will continue to focus funds on upgrade programmes for in-service strategic and tactical aircraft and SAMs.

Deliveries of new-generation weapons - notably S-400 SAMs, Su-34 combat aircraft and
Ka-52
and Mi-28N helicopters - will take place in small numbers "to start operational evaluation and prepare manuals", Gen Mikhailov said. Also eyed is the 9M335 Pantsir SAM - an improved version of the SA-19/SA-N-11 system. Developed for export, "the system has scored well in recent exercises, so we are going to order it for our own units", he said.

(Nota de pit: las pruebas con el ka-52 fueron suspendidas este año, el futuro del helicoptero en las VVS posiblemente sea cero, mientras el Mi-28N será fabricado este año en pequeños lotes y sus pruebas terminaran)

Gen Mikhailov admitted that the withdrawal of the S-125 and S-200 SAMs "exposed us to much criticism", but added that "the remaining S-300 series is able to better fulfil the same tasks". The RFAF continues to progressively upgrade the S-300 system and will add "an extended-range missile". It is also focusing on extending the S-300's service life and improving maintenance on ageing missiles. "We are revising the maintenance manuals and fielding modern mobile test-and-repair stations on wheeled chassis in order to conduct testing on the ageing missiles and perform field repairs, if required," the general said. Older electronic modules are being replaced with modern variants.

The number of upgrade programmes for in-service aircraft was considerably reduced in 2003 in order to concentrate funding on surviving programmes. Only two out of seven Su-27 interceptor/ground attack aircraft modernisation projects have survived: the Su-27SM and Su-34. In December 2003, the first five 15-year-old Su-27s to be upgraded to Su-27SM configuration at Sukhoi's plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur were returned to service (JDW 17 December 2003).

The Su-27SM features a strengthened fuselage, wing and landing gear to allow for a higher weapon load. The aircraft has received "a totally new avionics set" using systems from the Su-30MKK/MKI export models. "The Su-27SM is nearly a fifth-generation aircraft. It needs a lower signature characteristic and new weapons to be one," Gen Mikhailov said. The RFAF is currently handing over the next batch of 20 Su-27s to Sukhoi for upgrade, with the intention of having one regiment converted to the Su-27SM this year.

Nota de Pit: En 2004 se recibieron 7 Su-27SM en el 23 IAP sumando 12 aeronaves, no es un regimiento, pero si un escuadrón.

In December 2003 the eighth Su-34 (Su-27IB) flew for the first time from Sukhoi's plant in Novosibirsk. It features a revised avionics package, compliant with a revised air force specification demanding commonality with the Su-27SM. Two earlier airframes are to be retrofitted to the new standard this year.

Nota de pit: las pruebas con el Su-27IB continuan, nuevas imagenes han aparecido

Interest in upgrading the Su-25 attack aircraft has decreased due to its high cost. Existing plans call for only one regiment to be re-equipped with the Su-25SM.
Gen Mikhailov suggests that it is "time to think of a new design". The Yak-130 twin-jet trainer is to have a secondary strike role. Built to RFAF specifications, the second airframe is now being prepared for its first flight, expected "within weeks". The air force continues negotiations with Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG on the lease of 10-12 MiG-AT jet trainers to equip one squadron. The current Aero L-39 primary trainer will not be upgraded.

Nota de pit: Existe la posibilidad de unos 4 Su-25SM entrando en servicio este año, dejenme chequear.

Russia's L-39, along with its MiG-27s, are being considered for conversion into unmanned combat air vehicles (UCAVs). Gen Mikhailov said "redundant aircraft" can be turned into UCAVs by installing automatic flight control systems, "for which we have developed the technologies", while issues of automatic weapon release are being worked on.

RFAF Tu-160 and Tu-95MS bombers will undergo a mid-life upgrade, focusing on using conventional bombs and new cruise missiles. "We shall concentrate not on engine or airframe improvements, but on navigation, sighting and weapons," Gen Mikhailov said, noting "our bomber fleet has spent little time in the air since 1991". Existing maintenance procedures demand expensive checks on a calendar-based period and these are now being revised to cut costs.

Nota de Pit: El H-555, versión convencional y actualzida del H-55SM entró en servicio a finales del año pasado. La situación con el H-101/102 es mas oscura, algunas fuentes afirman el inicio de su fabricacion, otras dicen que este año.

Helicopter units in the Northern Caucasus region will continue to receive additional Mi-24PN and Mi-8MTKO units with night-attack capability. "Out of numerous proposals, we have selected one solution for upgrading the Mi-24 and another for the Mi-8," Gen Mikhailov said. This year one regiment will be fully re-equipped with night-capable helicopters, while other units will be taking limited numbers of upgraded helicopters. A handful of Ka-52s will go to "special units" in the intelligence-gathering role. The Mi-28N is being considered as a next-generation attack helicopter. A second Mi-28N built to meet air force requirements will fly "within one-and-a-half to two months". A further three Mi-28Ns are to be built for a 600 flight-test programme.

Gen Mikhailov said that during 2003 the average time flown per pilot continued to rise, passing the 40-hour mark. Younger pilots flew 70-80 hours, compared with their more experienced colleagues with 20-30 hours. "We must increase the average figure to 80-90 hours," he said. Russia's flying training programme is being reorganised to reduce pilot preparation time from six to four years and provide a graduate with 200 flying hours.

Nota de Pit: Esto es a lo que yo me referia

Helicopter units, transferred from the army to the RFAF in late 2002, have considerably improved their degree of fleet readiness. "Some units used to be at a mere 7-8% [readiness]; now it is over 40% on average," Gen Mikhailov stated.

For 2004, the RFAF's share of the military budget for combat training has been boosted to 16%, according to Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov. The air force "is in line" with other services in this respect, Gen Mikhailov said. Last year the number of air defence exercises involving missile firing "more than doubled" and more are planned for this year, he added.


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Order Given to him for Takeoff

The air force commander-in-chief, General-Colonel Vladimir Mikhaylov, has made a sensational announcement for Russkiy Kur’er: he has decided to return to the plant for revision of two new fighter bombers.- Vladimir Sergeevich, at the end of last year, aviation received new fighters. These are in fact the first reinforcements to the air force in last decade. And at the same time you are always talking about the low level of financing. Aren’t there contradictions here?

- There is not a lot of money. The money is always low. And the air force, actually, is experiencing a significant deficit in funds. Financing of the air force today is traditional: Fifteen – sixteen percent from the total Defense Ministry budget. But let’s recall that the air force for several years already has existed as a unified type of force - in essence, the air force and the air defense forces. And up to this, each of these types was being financed for at an amount of 15 – 16 percent from all military expenditures. After the unification of the air force and the air defense forces, they “forgot” to unify the financing.

- and nonetheless, let’s return to the rearming of aviation… You nevertheless have received new airplanes. Where did the funding come from?

- I had approached this question attentively and even had to replace my own deputy for armament and the air force chief of the financial and economic directorate. I won’t hide it, this happened in order to select the main things from many financial sources – those, which provide the resolution of primary missions. We have closed financing of a whole series of subjects, for which they have criticized me repeatedly. But I as before am convinced that with the existing budget it is impossible to operate with the fingers spread apart. Would we, for example, be able to finance seven projects for upgrade of the Su-27 airplane at the same time? Of course, not. This means, one had to select the most prospective ways and cut off the others.

- And what then was left?

- First, about what we threw away. You may not believe it, but the results of one of the experimental and research operations for which the air force had been paying a good 10 years, went onto half a page of meaningless phrases. Now the answer to your question. One of the results of the work that has been carried out is those very five new Su-27SM fighters, where were flown to Lipetsk, to the Center of Combat Training and Cross Training of Flight Crews, from Komsomol’sk-on-Amur, where they were built. By the way, your newspaper has written about these airplanes in detail. The second example of the “seven bank owners”* is the Su-34 fighter bomber, which the Novosibirsk plant produces. More precisely, the Su-27IB – that is how it will be called now. Yes, there were claims on this example. And so as not to produce airplanes which immediately after leaving the factory have to be sent for upgrade, I had to stop the assembly of the eighth aircraft. We added a supplement to the tactical-technical task and showed the Novosibirsk people what they needed. In particular, we changed the avionics – now it is close to that which is installed on the Su-27SM And the manufacturers, I am giving them their due, they did everything as needed. And they even have not required additional money of us. At the end of December of last year, the new aircraft was lifted into the air. The next examples of the Su-27IB will come in a new aspect ((OBLIK)). And not only the next. We plan to return to the plant for the alteration of both the fifth and the sixth aircraft.

- On of the main air force problems is the low flight time that military airmen have. Just when will aviation begin to fly as it was in Soviet times?

- Last year, air force airmen flew more and further than in previous years. Total flight time was increased significantly. During the year, more than 400 airmen received third class, and 386 - second class. And not only active airmen, officers, flew. Even the flight time of cadets grew significantly. I hope that in the coming year we will get to the threshold of the General Staff requirements: every graduate of an aviation school should have 200 hours flight time.

- But doesn’t intensification of flights lead to an increase in the number of catastrophes?

- I would not begin to make such declarations. Last year there were 11 flying accidents and catastrophes in the air force. In principle, this is the traditional annual level. But the difference of 2003 is the fact that all accidents took place over only 4 months: from 19 June through 17 October. I think, in particular this “concentration” also became the reason for the sharp criticism of the air force by the ministry of defense in summing up the year’s results. The main reason for the accidents is the human factor. Judge for yourself. The first air catastrophe, on 19 June, is increased use of fuel. The MiG-29 crew – a cadet and instructor - didn't notice this for 6 minutes. And when they paid attention to the instrument displays, they didn’t believe them at first. The group flight leader rendered no help to the crew. The result: they didn’t make the airfield by three kilometers. The next accident: A MIG-25, region of Monchegorsk. There was false actuation of information about an engine fire on takeoff. The main thing here is not to change the engines operational regime. The airman makes a contrary decision. Elementary technical ignorance. The collision of Mi-24 helicopters in August in the Far East is in general pure hooliganism… The last tragedy is the catastrophe of the Tu-160 strategic bomber in the Saratov Oblast’. I repeat, the crew was not to blame. The crew acted absolutely correctly, executing all instructions. The misfortune is that one of these instructions which was compiled in 1997, is absolutely mad. The sequence of refueling the airplane with liquid nitrogen during fueling of less than 50 tonnes was abolished by this instruction. They had loaded 46 tonnes into the Tu-160 that was lost. Following the instruction, they did not load the liquid nitrogen. As a result, during a sharp descent of the airplane and the use of fuel, the tri-section pressure support system failed to function in the fuel tanks. The tanks, crudely speaking, folded up. An explosion. A breach of the strengthening characteristics of the wing. The crew was not able to do anything else in a most complicated situation. After the emergency, at my order we found the initial example of the instruction. I is a paradox, but it even wasn’t approved by the air force commander-in-chief. In the violation of all standards, the very same man signed it who also had prepared it. There’s the human factor for you. So as to finally close the subject, I will report that the Tu-160 will resume their flights as early as 16 January.

- Let’s return to the start of our conversation. Which new aircraft nevertheless will military aviation receive?

- Above all, it is the Su-27SM. I am convinced, this airplane has imbibed in it all the very newest and best that we have put into various Sukhoy modifications, including into those which Russian is exporting successfully, the Su-30MKK and the Su-30MKI. The distinguishing features of the upgraded aircraft are: the capability for use of armament both “against the air” and “against the ground." New avionics (the five Su-27SM from the Far East reached Lipetsk toeing the line!) And at the same time, I will note, the price of the airplane's upgrade absolutely is incommensurable with the price of a new airplane. This is an aircraft very close to the fifth generation. In the end, it fails in two details: the airplane still is too noticeable on radar and for the time is unequal in armament to the fifth generation. However, I am certain that the Su-27SM will not be inferior to one series-built foreign airplane. I will note, we absolutely have not touched the fighter’s aerodynamics. They are magnificent. Although, to be honest, I would not begin to divide airplanes by generations. In my opinion, this is an artificial scale. But that is how it has gone… As regards the fifth generation airplane, despite the wide-scale upgrade of the fleet on hand that has begun, we are not lowering the pace of its development. A literally a few days ago I adopted a decision about the start of the upgrade of 20 more Su-27. I think, over the coming year we will rearm one regiment fully. Right now at the Lipetsk center, research pilots and methodology pilots will perfect the method for use of the new aircraft quickly. And then they will begin to transfer the experience to airmen of the line units. The Su-25. We will upgrade one regiment in the best case. The aircraft has turned out to be too expensive. I see a future of attack aviation for the Su-27IB. There are about 25 - 30 years upgrade potential left for this airplane. Combat training airplanes. Of the developments being offered – the MiG-AT and Yak-130 – we have selected the latter. And of no less importance is the fact that the Yak has seven directions: form combat trainer to reconnaissance airplane. Three aircraft already are in production at the Nizhniy Novgorod Sokol plant. All three will be enlisted for tests. But we already are ready to order a fourth, fifth and sixth aircraft. As regards the MiG-AT, it will be manufactured for export, although I also told the developers that I do not object to the appearance of a squadron of these airplanes in the air force. We need combat training airplane a lot.

- And how are long-range aviation's prospects?

- Rearmament of the Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers. They should “know how” both to bomb and to launch missiles. It is rather simple to upgrade them: In connection with the exchange of avionics for a smaller size there will be significant space. Only the engines worry me in strategic aviation. They are reaching the end of their life not in performance, but in date of assembly. Essentially, flight time for the engines is minimal, because since 1991, our long-range aviation practically as been idle. Right now a brigade of specialists from the 13th air force institute and the assembly plant has been created which by a method of inspection and removal of all technical parameters will extend the service period for the engines without performance of overhaul. In a word, we are ready to fly more. We even plan combat training missions over the Atlantic.


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CASTELO escribió:Pues no dudo de tus datos (pues corroboro la calidad de tus posts) pero que aún por encima de tener mala información pagues la talegada que se paga por cada uno de los informes de Jane's....tiene narices el asunto :)


Acaba vd. de descubrir la esencia del negocio de las consultoras :P :P :P


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Muchísimas gracias compañero pit por tus aportaciones. A ver si Mauricio se pasa por aquí y nos aclara algo más. En cuanto a Jane's he intentado buscar archivos por medios de P2P y no he conseguido casi nada....

jmfer....gracias por la aclaración :lol:

Un saludo.


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Pit

Muy interesante la noticia. Segun CINC VVS Mijailov el Su-25 es demasiado caro de operar. Es curioso porque habia oido lo contrario, con el unico inconveniente de que el motor R-95Sh fueron desarrollado a partir del R-13 del MiG-21, con lo que el consumo es bastante alto. Supongo que el Yak-130 sera mas barato y polivalente, ya que tiene como mision el entrenamiento de tripulaciones. Esta por ver si sera tan efectivo como el Frogfoot.

Sobre el Ka-52 lei que se utilizarian las celulas del Ka-50, pero me sorprende que el helicoptero vaya a ser cancelado. Personalmente prefiero el Havoc pero reconozco que el Ka-52 es un gran helicoptero.

Saludos.


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Realmente el hablar de 40 hs anuales para pilotos experimentados y 80/90 para novatos me parece una barbaridad....

Tengo entendido que en la 6ta Brigada Aerea de Tandil, Pcia de Bs As., vuelan 110/120 hs por piloto/año.

Supongo que sera lo mismo en la 5ta Brigada, Villa Reynolds, San Luis, hogar de los A4 AR..

Pauperrimo realmente, con toda esa cantidad de equipos almacenados, aviones generaciones adelante de la FAA alli, herrumbrandose....

Una lastima.


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¿Creeis que Rusia puede conseguir o ya tiene tegnologia de ocultacion tipo f177?

Pd:Si Ariel, hace algunos años, lei en uan revista que los habian soldados rusos que se prostituiban, y que los los oficiales tenian casas y coches y mchas cosas cara, con un sueldo que no se podian permitirse, osea corupcion.Yo creo que Rusia volvera su poderio dentro de 10 años o 15 años, dudo que seguiran asi de jodidos.


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pit escribió:(Ojala Mauricio aporté algo aca, pues el tiene experiencia de lo que te digo, si estás por aquí Mariscal, danos unas palabras :)


Amigo, me das demasiado crédito. La suerte que yo tengo es que trabajo en una Universidad. La biblioteca es el edificio adyacente al Dpto. de Biología, asi que cada vez que tengo un tiempito libre puedo ir a leer lo que les llega. La librería tiene la colección completa de Jane's desde hacen mas de 35 años. A mi me encanta sentarme a leer JDW de 1982 con el manual del Balance Militar ONU de unos años despues. No hay que ser demasiado ilustre para notar unas pifias que te tiran de espaldas. Y la verdad es que a traves de los años no han mejorado mucho. Como fuente de informacion de material Occidental son muy buenos. De resto hacen lo que pueden.


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Mauricio escribió:
pit escribió:(Ojala Mauricio aporté algo aca, pues el tiene experiencia de lo que te digo, si estás por aquí Mariscal, danos unas palabras :)


Amigo, me das demasiado crédito. La suerte que yo tengo es que trabajo en una Universidad. La biblioteca es el edificio adyacente al Dpto. de Biología, asi que cada vez que tengo un tiempito libre puedo ir a leer lo que les llega. La librería tiene la colección completa de Jane's desde hacen mas de 35 años. A mi me encanta sentarme a leer JDW de 1982 con el manual del Balance Militar ONU de unos años despues. No hay que ser demasiado ilustre para notar unas pifias que te tiran de espaldas. Y la verdad es que a traves de los años no han mejorado mucho. Como fuente de informacion de material Occidental son muy buenos. De resto hacen lo que pueden.


O sea que aún es necesario tener un buen servicio de información :)

Un saludo.


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Creo que es cierto que la fuerza aerea rusa esta pasando por una gran crisis que obedece gran parte a la gran reestructuracion que esta siendo sometida su economia, econmia que hasta hace una decada habia sido plnificada y sus bases aun descansaban en conceptos socialistas que para nada ajustaban sus recursos a su sociedad y fuerzas armadas
esperemos que la gran rusia se recupere.

y no le den mas credito ni participacion al sionista de ariel que realmente no merece ni el mas minimo respeto ni la mas pequeña atencion
saludos a los demas foristas

RAFA


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Se estará cayendo a pedazos la VVS, pero parece que POR FIN, el Su-27IB aka Su-34 entrará en servicio, primera unidad a fin de año

:wink:

7 March, 2005
Russian TV: Air Force To Get First Su-34 Fighter by Year End
(Russia TV RTR)
[Presenter Marat Kashin] Novosibirsk aircraft builders are carrying out a new state order: they are assembling a fourth-generation super-aircraft for the Russian Air Force. The aircraft combines the qualities of a fighter jet and a bomber and has no rival in the world. The army will get the first Su-34 by the end of the year. Specialists say that the main thing for the state order is to be long-term. Here is a report by Dmitriy Ivanov.
[Yuriy Gutov, deputy director-general of the Chkalov aircraft-building works] Somebody is making shutters [Russ: stvorki], somebody is making a wing. You see, the wing is not finished.
[Correspondent] The Su-34 fighter, which is being assembled in a workshop of the Chkalov works, is the first one to be delivered to the Russian Air Force. The aircraft builders have started working on the long-awaited state order for new front-line bombers. A year ago trial models of the fighter were sent to military airfields and after hundreds of hours of air tests no-one had any doubts about the qualities of the super-aircraft - this is how designers describe it.
[Yuriy Gutov] The confidence of the designers, the confidence of our potential buyers, i.e. the military, and of course our confidence. This is a good machine. State tests have proved this.
[Correspondent] Aircraft builders are not very talkative about the Su-34. Their replies to many questions are short - the information is classified. They call the fighter a multipurpose aircraft. It can fire missiles at the enemy's ground targets and is also efficient in an air combat.
[Viktor Izotov, assembler] It combines so many clever things. This is a high technologies achievement.
[Correspondent] About 40 specialists are working on the aircraft in the assembly shop. Each has his own area of responsibility. When the air frame is ready, they will start installing computer equipment, including satellite navigation, a unique communications system and a powerful radar, which makes the Su-34 undetectable for the enemy.
[Aleksandr Bobryshev, director-general of the Chkalov works] At this stage, our limits are probably five aircraft a year.
[Correspondent] The 6,000-strong team is ready for complicated and painstaking work. It is important for the aircraft builders that the state order for new military bombers is long-term. This will allow the works to work steadily and the army to replace its aircraft. The Su-34 is designed to replace its predecessor, the third-generation Su-24, in front-line aviation subunits.
The aircraft builders are planning to deliver the first Su-34 M fighter to the Russian army by the end of the year.
Dmitriy Ivanov, Oleg Bondarev, Aleksandr Ganov for Vesti from Novosibirsk.


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Un miserable ejemplar que ya quisieran los militares de Israel :lol: :lol:

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Además de que están en proceso de incorporación más de un centenar de F16I Sufá.


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Hay que reconocer que es una hermosa nave ! :shock:

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El punto no es en estar orgulloso o no, o si es un misero avión o dos, el hecho es que es un avión extremedamante moderno, capaz y necesitado en la VVS...y que por fin después de tanto tiempo entrará en servicio (yo ya dudaba esto en lo personal)...

Que si es comparable con una pera o con una toronja, no es de mi interes...nadie puede hacer esas comparaciones, nadie conoce realmente al Su-32. El programa es sumamente secreto.


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