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y la verdad que en las mismas, que seria derribado con los AMRAAM de ultima generacion antes de que lo detectara.
Y eso no cambiaria nada, los Raptor serian barridos de los cielos. No porque esten en la misma liga tecnologica, sino por mera cuestion de cifras. Los calculos estan hechos dando la superioridad total tecnologica a los Raptors. Y aun asi, no podrian derribar los suficientes Flankers. Los aviones tienen un limite de misiles, y aun calculando que todos los misiles derribaran un blanco diferente, la simplemasa teerminaria provocando la entrada en la mele y el derribo de los aviones de segunda linea (AWACS, Cisternas, etc, etc). El problema del Raptor es que solo es un avion anecdotico. No puede entrar en combate en numero suficiente como para representar ninguna diferencia.
Pues no. Solo en el supuesto de que atacara China Raptors desplegados en Asia, los Raptors se verian sobrepasados por ser escasisimos. Otro gallo cantaria si el conflicto fuera en una zona donde EEUU pudiera desplegar sus Raptors tanto como deseara. Los SU-27 estan desfasados para enfrentarse al americano, no ya tecnologicamente, donde hay un abismo, sino tambien en cuestion de concepto. El Raptor es stealth puro y duro, mas incluso que el PAK FA (reconocido por un ingeniero de la compañia rusa). Seria como el enfrentamiento entre la fuerza aerea Siria y la de Israel en su dia.
Sobre la superioridad del Raptor, esta mas que atestiguada:
Inside the Air Force
One F-22A 'virtually' shot down
RAPTORS DOMINATE ALLIED AIRCRAFT DURING RED FLAG EXERCISE AT NELLIS
Date: March 2, 2007
The F-22A Raptor dominated and frustrated its competition during
recent war games at Nellis Air Force Base, NV, despite being out
numbered by enemy aircraft, the exercise commander said this week.
Over the course of the two-week exercise, aggressors conducted only
one successful simulated shoot-down of an F-22A, Col. Tom Bergeson,
1st Operations Group commander and air expeditionary wing commander of
the Red Flag exercise, said during a Feb. 27 conference call with
reporters from Langley Air Force Base, VA. Red Flag is an "advanced,
realistic aerial combat training exercise designed to give pilots
intense combat experience in a controlled environment," according to a
Feb. 23 Air Force statement. During the exercise, pilots from the U.S.
and allied nations compete against each other in combat missions. Red
Flag is designed for young, inexperienced airmen, Bergeson said. Five
F-22A pilots participating in the war game were just two weeks out of
Raptor flight school. Aside from the recently battle-certified F-22A,
F-15C Eagles and F-16 Falcons assisted Raptor pilots during their
missions, Lt. Col. Dirk Smith, commander of the 94th Fighter Squadron,
said during the same conference call. Airmen from the Royal Australian
Air Force flew the F-111 and C-130s and British pilots flew GR-4
Tornadoes and C-130s in the Feb. 3 to Feb. 16 competition. The F-22A,
with assistance from the F-15C, however, proved extremely successfully
throughout the war game, Bergeson said. The 14 Raptors participating
in the combat exercise completed 100 percent of the missions assigned
at Red Flag. "We had very few, if any, airplanes that survived the
initial onslaught of the Raptor and the Eagle," he said. Each day
pilots are engaged in two "wars," an hour-and-a-half daytime fight and
a nighttime battle, Smith said. The Air Force or "blue" team flew
eight F-22As during the day fight and six at night. The Raptors were
typically up against 10 or 11 aggressor, or "red," aircraft. Missions
included protecting as many as 50 aircraft from enemy threats and
attacks against targets on the ground, as well as close air support.
Additional F-15C Eagles and F-16 Falcons assisted the Raptors during
missions, Smith said. Enemy aggressor aircraft included F-15s and
F-16s that simulate "Soviet-built threats," as well as F-5 aircraft.
After a simulated shoot-down of a red aircraft, that plane would go
back to base, "tag another point and go back as a live fighter," he
said. "So on average, we were probably seeing in the neighborhood of a
three-to-one red force to blue force ratio because we killed them
enough times that they would regenerate up to normally three to even
four times during a scenario," Bergeson said. "The quicker you kill
them, the quicker they regenerate and keep coming back at you and
that's . . . the nature of red flag. "They want to continue to stress
you to create this tactical problem so eventually they're going to get
some guys through so they can give some air-to-air training to all the
rest of the package that's paid a lot of money to get out there to see
it," he added. Raptors were primarily used for the destruction of air
defenses while EA-6 Prowlers and F-16CJs provided suppression of air
defenses. "This was the first time where we'd have F-22s that would go
in, try to take out the enemy air, and then while we were in there, be
able to use our ability to penetrate a little bit more deeply into the
enemy surface-to-air system," Bergeson. "We would drop some weapons
and try to destroy those things." The F-22As performed simulated drops
of the Joint Direct Attack Munition during the war game but did not
utilize any of their electronic attack capabilities, Bergeson said. In
the first day of exercises, the Raptor went up against aggressors it
could possibly face today, Bergeson said. By the third day it battled
aggressors it "might face in the next few years."
Testimonios de pilotos:
According to Lt. Col. Larry Bruce, 65th AS commander, aggressor pilots turned up the heat on the F-22 using tactics they believe to be modern threats. For security purposes these tactics weren't released; nonetheless, they said
their efforts against the Raptors were fruitless.
"
We [even] tried to overload them with numbers and failed," said Colonel Bruce. "
It's humbling to fly against the F-22." This is a remarkable testimony because the Red Flag aggressor pilots are renowned for their skill and experience. Lt. Col. Dirk Smith, 94th Fighter Squadron commander, said the aggressor forces represent the most lethal threat friendly forces would ever face.
Remarco:
Los esfuerzos contra los Raptors fueron infructuosos.
Es humillante volar contra los F-22.
Incluso tratamos de sobrecargarlos con numeros y fracasamos.
Testimonio de piloto australiano:
"The thing denies your ability to put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it through the canopy," said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, F-15 exchange pilot in the 65th AS. "It's the most frustrated I've ever been."
Y dice el piloto del F-15 que es la vez que ha estado mas frustrado. Hablamos de un piloto de se puede considerar entre los mejores de mundo.
http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041725
Y hay que tener en cuenta que se trabaja en un escenario completo, con defensas antiaereas:
"These scenarios are not made to be easy," said Colonel Smith. "These [Red Force] pilots are well trained and good at their job." In addition, Red Forces aren't limited to aggressor pilots. There is no shortage of ground threats at Red Flag. These include electronically simulated surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft artillery, and communications jamming, according to 414th CTS officials.
http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041151
Su ratio:
During Exercise Northern Edge 2006 in Alaska in early June, the F-22 proved its mettle against as many as 40 "enemy aircraft" during simulated battles.
The Raptor achieved a 108-to-zero kill ratio at that exercise. But the capabilities of the F-22 go beyond what it can do. It is also able to help other aircraft do better.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123022371
Lo que puede conseguir el Rafale:
http://www.forum-conquete-spatiale.fr/t ... 16-redflag
6-2 contra los F-16
) que los sistema rusos eran buenos, pero que en fusion de sensores andaban muuuchos años por detras de ellos. dijo una o dos decadas.
