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en la guerra nada es seguro primero

el sistema aegis si se a probado y es bueno

cada destructor es autonomo en cuanto a la operacion de sus sistemas

si claro aegis es un sistema y nesesita de misiles y justamente SM3 otros misiles no sirven para TBMD por tener menos alcance como el sm2 y otros.

israel puede adquirirlos y construirlos si quisiese en vista que estados unidos nunca a negado una tecnologia a israel.

no a intentado ni creo este en sus planes

lo que si esta desarollando un par de sistemas navales junto con india

el misil GABRIEL 5 el BARAK 8 y EL/M-2248 MF-STAR Naval Multi-Mission Radar

lo extraño es que no hay una plataforma para estos nuevos sistemas que estan bastante avanzados

imagino que puedan ponerse en las Litoral combat ship o en las saar 5


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LA ARMADA DE ISRAEL A PUNTO DE PONER EN SERVICIO UN VEHÍCULO ROBOT DE PATRULLA
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La Armada de Israel está a punto de poner en servicio un vehículo robot ( USV ) que se empleará en misiones de patrulla.
Este vehículo, operado desde una estación de control remoto, se empleará en misiones de patrulla costera, puede ser dotado de varios sistemas de sensores y armas.
La Armada de Israel los utilizó durante la operación Cast Lead para reforzar el bloqueo de Gaza.
El despliegue de estos sistemas en áreas de gran riesgo permite no tener que exponer a ningún soldado al fuego enemigo.

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informacion sacada de el tirador solitario

ISRAEL RECIBE DOS NUEVOS SUBMARINOS DE LA CLASE DOLPHIN
La Armada de Israel ha recibido dos nuevos submarinos de la clase Dolphin. Con estos, ya son cinco los submarinos de esta clase que posee Israel.
Los tres primeros ( basados en el Tipo 209 ) fueron entregados entre los años 1998 y 2000. Israel solo tuvo que pagar la mitad del tercer submarino. El resto fue sufragado por Alemania.
Estos dos nuevos submarinos son una mejora de los primeros Dolphin, ya que disponen de un sistema AIP. El coste de ambos es de unos 1300 millones de euros, de los cuales Alemania pagará una tercera parte.
Una de las características principales de estos submarinos es que poseen cuatro tubos lanzatorpedos de 648 mm, desde los cuales se puede disparar el misil Popeye Turbo de gran alcance, el cual se cree que podría montar cabezas nucleares.
Según Jane´s, la Armada de Israel podría adquirir un sexto Dolphin.
Artículo reciente del Jerusalem Post sobre estos submarinos.

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Por cierto, alguien tiene fotos de los nuevos Dolphin... :?:

Por el AIP, deben ser más grandes que los actuales... :conf:


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Runrunes fresquitos, alguna cosilla se ha filtrado a la prensa:

Las IDF estan cotizando equipamiento naval por un monto de varios miles de millones de Euros a astilleros Alemanes. Imagínenese qué clase de equipamiento será, considerando lo que se estira la plata Israelí cuando compran en Alemania.


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Mauricio escribió:Runrunes fresquitos, alguna cosilla se ha filtrado a la prensa:

Las IDF estan cotizando equipamiento naval por un monto de varios miles de millones de Euros a astilleros Alemanes. Imagínenese qué clase de equipamiento será, considerando lo que se estira la plata Israelí cuando compran en Alemania.


Estimado Forista Mauricio , ante la cancelacion de la compra del LCS Americano devido a un exesivo precio y largo periode de desarollo , la armada de Israel , se han interesado mucho e el proyecto Germano MEKO A100 con armamento y sistemas Israelies .

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no seria nada estraño ver una de estas pronto en la armada de Israel.

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estas corresponden a la armada de Turquia .

aqui el articulo.

Israel Navy drops LCS buy in favor of locally-built Meko A-100 warships.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =FEA&s=CVS


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Israel Busca Costruir su Corveta .

TEL AVIV. En un Radical Giro conserniente a su futuro Programa de Modernizacion de la flota , La Armada de Israel a acabado con un largo plan de adquirir el Barco de Combate de Litoral de Lockheed Martin Littoral Combat Ships (LCS), al igual que la opcion de costruir Corvetas costruidas por Northrop Grumman.


Aora explora la produccion en astilleros nacionales de una vercion alrgada de 2200 toneladas de la Corveta Meko A100 Costruida por ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS).

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =FEA&s=CVS


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Israel Busca un Acuerdo de Armas con Alemania .

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =FEA&s=CVS


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Israeli Navy Wants Stealth Corvettes

May 18, 2010

By David Eshel

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Israel wants to acquire two corvettes that would permit missions beyond the Mediterranean and extend its fleet air defense capabilities. The navy was planning to purchase a variant of Lockheed Martin’s Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), but after an evaluation decided the vessel was too costly.

The navy is now interested in the Meko A-100 multimission corvette, built by Blohm and Voss, part of Germany’s Thyssen-Krupp Marine Systems (TKMS) Group. For such a vessel to outperform the current Eilat class, Israel will probably opt for the latest stealth version known as the Meko CSL, which can be adapted to meet Israeli requirements for versatility, sensors and deck space. The CSL corvette is a modular vessel that can be rapidly configured for different missions.

Israel’s navy has been focused on defending the nation’s coastline and strategic shipping routes in the Mediterranean. Since Iran became the main supplier of weapons to Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, intercepting arms-smuggling routes has redirected the mission of Israel’s naval forces to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Israel’s reach in these areas was demonstrated by the recent transit of a Dolphin-class submarine and Saar 5 corvettes through the Suez Canal, en route to temporary deployments in the Red Sea.

The Meko CSL is 108 meters (354 ft.) long, with a beam of 21 meters and full-load displacement of 2,750 metric tons. Propulsion is by a combined diesel-and-gas/water-jet system that reaches 40 kt. Cruising range at 15 kt. is 3,500 nm., and endurance is 21 days. The vessel can put to sea with a crew of 75.

Armed with the Barak 8 extended-range air-defense system from Israel Aerospace Industries, the two CSLs are expected to become the world’s first air-defense corvettes. This will give the Israeli surface fleet independent air cover for the first time, enabling ships to deploy farther from home. With a large deck surface and conformal mast, the new vessel can be equipped with more missiles than the current Saar 5 and, importantly, its superstructure can mount Elta’s MF-Star radar. This 360-deg. phased-array radar supports simultaneous surface search operations and multiple antiaircraft, antimissile and surface-attack weapons. The vessel will also carry antisubmarine weapons and a helicopter. As with all Israeli purchases, an important issue is the integration of locally designed and produced electronic systems. The navy uses the Elbit/Elisra Aqua Marine integrated electronic support measures/electronic countermeasures warfare suite on its Saar 5 corvettes. It is expected that the Meko will include the latest advanced electronic warfare systems.

Another advantage of the vessel would be accommodating the navy’s robotic systems. The ship could become a support platform for unmanned aerial vehicles, unmanned surface vessels and unmanned underwater vehicles, since it would have adequate deck space and launch and retrieval capabilities.

A major advantage of the Meko CSL design is stealth. By employing technologies developed for the latest German warships and Sweden’s Visby-class stealth corvettes, Meko designers reduced the ship’s infrared signature by 75% through elimination of the conventional uptakes. Exhaust gases are ducted through a horizontal system, cooled by sea water and expelled underwater. Smooth hull-plating and concealed deck equipment are other stealth enhancements from the Visby class. Other features include a water-jet propulsion system that reduces the wake, the use of composite (nonmagnetic) structures and advanced sensors. Research on the Visby-class vessels began in the 1990s by Swedish ship designer Kockums, now part of TKMS.

Israel regards its German shipbuilders as reliable suppliers. The Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werf of Kiel and Nordseewerke of Emden have delivered three Dolphin-class submarines to the navy, and two more are under construction. Each new sub reportedly includes an additional 10-meter section for installation of an air-independent propulsion system, which enables the vessel to remain submerged for several weeks.

Israel’s submarines are believed to be equipped with underwater-launched cruise missiles capable of striking land targets at long range. With such capability, Israel could possess a potential second strike option in a nuclear confrontation with Iran.

Should all go according to plan with its modernization program, the navy would become Israel’s second strategic arm after the air force.

Credit: Lockheed Martin


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Aprovechen señores, que fotos del interior de un Dolphin son más raras que diente de gallina.

Published 27.09.10

Israel Navy's submarine fleet: an intimate but demanding unit

The navy's submarine fleet is due to triple in size in the coming years. A glance into the intense lifestyle of soldiers in this most secretive unit.


By Anshel Pfeffer

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The Israel Navy's submarine fleet is one of the Israel Defense Forces' most intimate units. The atmosphere in the unit derives not only from the nature of its missions, which require several dozen men to remain together underwater in an iron tube for many long days, but also because very few soldiers serve in the unit.

In the coming decade, the fleet is to undergo a revolution. It will start when two upgraded versions of the Dolphin submarine join the ranks in the coming two years. But the most significant change will be the expansion of the fleet's manpower from the three existing teams to ten teams by the year 2018. This will allow the fleet to carry out many more long-range missions.

In the past few years, as the hidden battle intensified against arms shipments from Iran to Hezbollah and Hamas, the navy has taken over from the air force the role of the IDF's long arm. "From our perspective, the professional achievement of an underwater commando is to be part of the first crew to go into a new arena and study it in depth," says one officer, with a smile.

The IDF rarely publishes details about the submarines' operations, but according to foreign publications, in addition to collecting intelligence and conventional sea warfare, the three Dolphins are equipped with both torpedoes and the ability to launch guided missiles armed with a nuclear warhead. When a Dolphin submarine passed through the Suez Canal a few months ago, the foreign media interpreted this as an intention to station an Israeli submarine in the Persian Gulf.

Secrecy is second nature to the submarine crews. "There are many missions where we ourselves don't know what exactly we are supposed to do," says a former soldier who recently completed his service in the unit. "We get an order to reach a certain spot and that's it. Much of the time, even the officers understand what they were doing there only after the mission."

Cut off from the world

The soldiers begin experiencing isolation already at the initial stages of their training. The training school is part of the busy general Navy training base in Haifa, but their commanders make sure the atmosphere is closed and isolated, like that of basic training in the desert 20 years ago.

"They come for three weeks and the moment they enter, they hand over their cellphones," explains the commander of the school, Maj. Yisrael. "They can speak with their parents once a week, on Fridays, from a public telephone."

Demand to join the unit has increased in recent years, and five recruits now compete for every place. However, more than 40 percent drop out during the first few months. "I take them to see a submarine at the beginning of the course," says Maj. Yisrael. "I tell them that's the place they will live for four and a half years [since submarine crewmen sign on for an additional year and a half of career army service]. There are some who leave the course voluntarily at the beginning because they feel it's not sufficiently combative. They want to see the white of the enemy's eyes."

During the first four and a half months of the course, the trainees at the base are permitted to move only between the school building, the dining hall and their dormitories. Anyone who leaves the area is punished. "They will live in a submarine for periods of 18 to 30 days," Yisrael explains. "If we catch them speaking to someone else on the base, the first time they do so they will receive a warning, the second time they will be severely punished, and the third time we will simply have to say goodbye to them."

He explains that "during the first few months, the instructors are with the trainees all the time and they are under 24-hour surveillance. We see who gets irritated, who is careless, how they work and talk with one another. We take note of the most minute details, and punish them for everything. A submariner has to understand that he has left behind his entire civilian life. This is discipline and meticulousness at a completely different level."

During the 13 months of training, the soldiers are required to memorize thousands of pages of complicated technical details, and learn not only to operate their own combat positions but also to repair them underwater if necessary. "We look for people who value fellowship, and show responsibility and technical skills," Yisrael says, "but mainly people who are able to learn a huge quantity of material in a short period. Even after they complete the course, they study all the time in the submarine."

During the first stage of the course, the soldiers still go out on marches, mainly in order to create a feeling of camaraderie and team spirit, but later the physical side is emphasized less. Submarine crewmen are defined as combat soldiers in every sense, but in terms of weapons training they undergo the same course as non-combat soldiers ("Gunner 02" ). Their combat experience takes place in shorts and T-shirts opposite flickering screens, but they are sent to the most dangerous of arenas, far from the Israel's borders.

1,900 tons under the sea

In order to expand the training possibilities, two advanced simulators were built in the past two years; the trainees practice there for hundreds of hours before they go out on an operational mission. The simulators accurately imitate the combat positions in the submarine's operational spaces: the combat information center from which all operational systems are deployed and the technical center that controls the 1,900-ton submarine's engineering systems.

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In the technical center, one can generally find a helmsman and two operators (one junior and one senior ) as well as a duty officer. They will be the first who need to react in case of an emergency such as water penetrating the submarine or other physical damage. When there is a real fear of serious damage to the vessel, they have to carry out an emergency weapons delivery, and the submarine then empties all its containers simultaneously and surfaces immediately.

The combat information center simulator is defined as a tactical trainer that is capable of creating a scenario of an entire operational mission. It includes 60 computers and setting it up, which is nearing completion, has taken more than a year. The project cost some NIS 30 million.

The center has two periscopes that enable the men to look out of the submarine, a radar detection position, control and supervision positions, weapons, sonar and a navigation table. In a routine sailing, two officers and five other crew members man the center. One officer always has an eye glued to the periscope, and the senior officer in the group is the duty officer effectively in charge of the submarine at a given moment. In addition to the submarine's commander, the team includes three officers who can fulfill this task. "This officer has immense responsibility," explains one submarine officer. "You are close to a hostile shore, looking through the periscope alone at a target, and if you are discovered you have only a few seconds to respond and make a decision."

During an operation, the tiny combat center is filled with some 20 officers and other crew members. "Everyone here knows exactly where he has to stand and when to talk," explains Major Menahem, the commander of the simulator who was the deputy commander of a submarine until a year ago. "It is very crowded here but also very quiet. Messages are conveyed by glancing or uttering one word."

Only some of the people in the center have a chair or a screen of their own. Even the commander of the submarine does not have a chair when there is an emergency, and generally takes his place somewhere between the two periscopes from where he can see all the most important screens. The rest of the crew know which positions they have to take so they can view relevant information without getting in each other's way.

Everything is documented

A large part of the submarines' work is gathering intelligence. The fleet does not give out details relating to the technical capabilities of the detectors and cameras on the two periscopes, or the distance from shore at which they can operate. "Let's just say that I can see inside people's homes," says Maj. Menahem. "We synchronize the equipment with the traffic lights on the coastal highway."

The tactical simulator allows a wide variety of training possibilities, from preparing an individual for the specific position he will man in the submarine to training future team heads and duty officers, and also entire crews. The simulator's instructors feed the positions with the mission plan and unexpected situations. All activities are filmed and after the training session they go to a debriefing room to examine their moves. The facility makes it possible to create an entire mission for the crew, both of the routine and emergency types.

The simulator has also enhanced the competence test that crewmen have to pass every year. The test begins with a variety of scenarios on the simulator, and then Maj. Yisrael and several instructors go out with the crew on a three-day test at sea.

The officers and crew members who will man the fourth Dolphin, which is due to arrive from a German shipyard next year, are currently undergoing training. The fifth submarine will arrive in Israel in 2012. At this stage, the navy is planning to train two crews for every submarine. The main obstacle today to keeping the submarines at sea for longer periods is the need for crews to rest, study, prepare for operations and spend time with their families.

In the future, the navy plans that the moment a submarine returns to base, it will fuel and leave again with a fresh crew. In numerical terms, manpower will be trebled. Veteran officers in the unit - in its 51 years of existence only some 2,000 officers and combatants have served there - are afraid that, at the same time as the unit increases its operational strength, something of the familial feeling will be lost.


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¿Estos marinos no tienen alguna fragata o no la necesitan? Porque de poder no creo que les haga falta.


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El alcance de las operaciones de la Marina Israelí es el más amplio de Oriente Medio y del Este del Mediterráneo, si Israel no necesita fragatas es simplemente porque con lo que tiene supera ampliamente a sus potenciales adversarios y vecinos, que en su mayoría tienen equipo obsoleto y muy pobre.


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con las saar 4,5 pueden ir y volver desde haifa hasta la costa española del mediterráneo sin problema en operaciones

a todas luces suficiente

si piensan en algo de 2200 toneladas están doblando la capacidad de las saar 5


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No puedo estar en más DES-acuerdo.

Las lecciones del INS Eilat demuestran que HHY necesita de modo urgente de una fragata. Una fragata de verdad con capacidad AAW de verdad y no un sistema de última instancia cuando ya todo ha fallado (CIWS) y un misil que es poco más que eso (Barak). Una plataforma además capaz de dar apoyo de fuego de verdad a fuerzas operando en un litoral. Y no, el Oto de 76 no cuenta porque para que cuente hay que acercarse tanto a la costa que luego pasa lo que pasa. Se necesita urgentemente de una plataforma con una pieza de 127, capaz de operar uno o más helicópteros y preferiblemente un radar y sistema misilístico capaz de derrotar misiles enemigos.

El LCS-I era para mí el mínimo pasable. Ni siquiera ideal, sino pasable.


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Experten escribió:El alcance de las operaciones de la Marina Israelí es el más amplio de Oriente Medio y del Este del Mediterráneo, si Israel no necesita fragatas es simplemente porque con lo que tiene supera ampliamente a sus potenciales adversarios y vecinos, que en su mayoría tienen equipo obsoleto y muy pobre.


Hola.

No exactamente.Las armadas con mas alcance en el Este del mediterraneo,podrian ser las de Turquia y Grecia.La de Egipto,no se si se deberia de considerar,ya que tiene algunas unidades de consideración como las FFG7 y las Descubierta.

Sobre lo que comenta Mauricio,si necesitan una unidad con mas potencia AAW y un mayor cañon para proporcionar apoyo,se podrian considerar mas las F124 Alemanas o las FREEM.

Un Saludo.


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