Fuerza Aérea del Reino Unido

[Ali Al Saachez]

BBC: Bugatti Veyron vs Euro Fighter Typhoon Drag Race - Top Gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ9X9A2 ... r_embedded

BBC: Lotus Exige Car Review with Apache Helicopter Gunship - Top Gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCC7LrHu ... r_embedded

Divertidos Saludos.

[User403]

Sobre recortes el secretario de defensa Liam Fox habla de reducir la flota de la RAF a dos flotas de aviones de combate (Ahora con Tornado, Typhoon y Harrier), dos flotas de helicópteros (Ahora con Puma, Merlin y Chinook) y dos flotas de transportes (Hércules y C-17) como objetivos del Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Sobre los aviones de combate, todas las papeletas las tienen los Tornado, quedando Typhoons y Harrier, a sustituir estos últimos por el F-35.

Respecto a la flota de helos, había oído que la RAF iba a traspasar sus Merlin a la Fleet Air Arm a cambio de Chinook adicionales aunque también existe la posibilidad de que retiren los Puma y mantengan Chinook y Merlin.

La flota de transporte se reduce a dos modelos actualmente, Hércules y C-17, a la que hay que sumar los A400M en un tiempo más o menos breve. La pregunta es si los recortes van a suponer la retirada del programa A400M o esperar a que estos entren en servicio para retirar los Hércules. En todo caso el estado de los C-130K obligaría a adquirir unidades adicionales de C-130J (O de C-17, o de ambos) de seguir con el aparato de Lockheed Martin o de A400M (O de C-17, o de ambos) de seguir con el Airbus ya que una flota de 25 C-130J/A400M y 7 C-17 no cubre las necesidades de las FAS británicas. En todo caso difícilmente la RAF va a renunciar a sus C-17 y mantener una flota mixta de C-130J y A400M.

De todas formas sabremos algo más concreto cuando se publiquen los recortes en octubre.

Un saludo

[Kraken]

http://download.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/sdsr/factsheet8-royal-air-force.pdf

Fact Sheet 8: Future Force 2020 –Royal Air Force
Re-structuring and re-equipping to be relevant for the 21st Century

The RAF in 2020 will be able to provide:
•air defence of the UK and South Atlantic Overseas Territories;
•a credible and capable combat air presence to contribute to conventional deterrence, coercion and containment;
•an expeditionary combat air contribution for enduring land operations;
•strategic and tactical airlift; and
•other air power capabilities, including ISTAR, helicopters and RAF Regiment ground units.

Fast Jets
We will have a fast jet fleet of Typhoon and Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft. Approximately one third of these will be at high readiness. The Typhoon and JSF are two of the world’s most capable combat aircraft. This combination will provide the flexibility and strike power to deal with a variety of new and existing threats, while also radically improving cost effectiveness and efficiency.

Strategic and Tactical Airlift
A modernised and highly capable strategic and tactical airlift fleet will be delivered through seven C-17 transport aircraft, 22 A400M transport aircraft and 14 Airbus A330 strategic transport and tanker aircraft. These aircraft will be able to deploy, support and recover our forces and their equipment rapidly anywhere in the world. The A-330 will also be able to provide airborne refuelling to maximise the range and endurance of our aircraft.

Support Helicopters
Our support helicopter capability will provide battlefield mobility from land and sea. It will be based on Chinook heavy-lift and medium-lift Puma and Merlin helicopters. We will buy an additional 12 new Chinooks and significantly upgrade Puma’s capability. (Further details on helicopters are in the Army Fact Sheet.)

ISTAR Capabilities
Our strategic surveillance and intelligence platforms will be capable of providing wide area coverage as part of our broader combat ISTAR capability. E-3D Sentry aircraft will provide airborne command, control and surveillance; and Rivet Joint signals intelligence aircraft will provide independent strategic intelligence gathering. We will also maintain a range of remotely piloted air systems.

Air Weapons
We will maintain RAF Regiment Force Protection squadrons at high readiness to protect deployed aircraft and personnel in hostile areas and provide Defence’s CBRN detection capabilities.
In 2020, the RAF’s weapon systems will include:
•the Storm Shadow cruise missile, a state of the art capability to strike ground targets at medium to long range; and
•advanced air-launched weapons to complement the capabilities of Typhoon and JSF.

In order to meet the Future Force 2020 Structures, the Royal Air Force will:
•withdraw the C-130 Hercules transport fleet 10 years earlier than planned as we transition to the more capable and larger A400M;
•withdraw the Sentinel surveillance aircraft once it is no longer required to support operations in Afghanistan;
•rationalise the RAF estate.
Tornados will be retained and will continue to operate in Afghanistan
Tornado equipped with Storm Shadow cruise missiles
•Reduce by around 5,000 personnel to c.33,000 by 2015;
•retain Tornado but remove Harrier from service in the transition to a future fast jet force of Typhoon and JSF;
•not bring into service the Nimrod MRA4;
•withdraw VC10 and the three variants of TriStar aircraft from 2013 as we transition towards the more capable A330 future strategic transport and tanker aircraft.
•withdraw the C-130 Hercules transport fleet 10 years earlier than planned as we transition to the more capable and larger A400M;
•withdraw the Sentinel surveillance aircraft once it is no longer required to support operations in Afghanistan;
•rationalise the RAF estate.

[And...]

podria decirse que ha la RAF no le fue tan mal, el british army y la royal navy si en la inmunda por los recortes de presupuesto!

[Mauricio]

podria decirse que ha la RAF no le fue tan mal, el british army y la royal navy si en la inmunda por los recortes de presupuesto!

¿Mande?

Por años su superioridad en materia ISTAR por sobre la mayoría de las fuerzas aéreas de Europa se sostenía en las versiones de reconocimiento y MPA de los Nimrod. Luego se gastaron 5000 millones de libras -de las que valían más- en el programa ASTOR/Sentinel R1, que les proveía del único medio en Europa... no, del Mundo... comparable al JSTARS.

Y mira tu... bye Nimrod, bye Sentinel. Y ojo... el Sentinel un avión que recién alcanzó la operatividad hace dos años.



Y lo del Nimrod MRA.4 es para llorar. Un MPA de primerísimo órden en el que se habían pasado casi dos décadas y 3000+ millones de libras en desarrollo. Iba a estar operacional para el 2012. Tenemos entonces que el UK, una nación insular, se queda sin MPAs.

Lo de los A-330 también es de analizar. De entrada tenemos que es un "Private Finance Initiative" que es una manera flemática de decir alquilado. Los aviones no le pertenecen a la RAF y parte del acuerdo con el dueño, un consorcio llamado Air Tanker, es que ellos pueden utilizar el avión para charters de carga cuando la RAF no los necesita. Por no mencionar que estos 14 aviones alquilados vienen a reemplazar a 24 aviones entre Tristars y VC-10.

Luego están los aviones de combate, 45 Harriers y 54 Tornados versión intercepetor que van a la baja el 2011. Sin mencionar a los Jaguar GR3A, dos escuadrones completos dados de baja el 2007 porque iban a ser reemplazados por los flamantes Tiffies. Pues bien, esos mismos tiffies que ya reemplazaban a los Jaguars también están reemplazando a los Harriers y Tornados. Del modo que se mida, va a haber pérdida neta de aviones.

Luego tenemos a los Tiffies, de los cuales no está del todo claro cuántos van a haber. Buena parte de los Tranche 2 los enrocaron en la órden para Arabia Saudita y parece que 24 del Tranche 1 pudieran acabar en Omán. Y como del Tranche 3B casi seguro se desentiendan, de los 232 planeados quedarán unos 160 (menos 24 si Omán se lleva los suyos).

Y la compra del F-35 sabemos que va a ser menor a la planeada porque lo han dicho blanco y en botella en el SSDR.

El hachazo ha sido BRUTAL. Para todos los servicios.

[Mauricio]

Madre mía...

RAF Dropping to 6 Fast-Jet Units

Export Deals Could Further Cut Typhoon Force

By ANDREW CHUTER
Published: 11 Dec 2010 11:45

LONDON - Britain may halve its fast-jet fleet by 2020 or so, according to the commanding officer of the Royal Air Force's No. 1 Group.

"We are heading for five Typhoon squadrons and one JSF [Joint Strike Fighter] squadron," said Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell, who commands the RAF's air combat group. "It will be a six-squadron world; that's what's on the books."

That could mean 107 Typhoons, plus about 40 F-35C JSFs that support a large operational squadron of 20 to 25 crews, Bagwell said.

Typhoon numbers could be clipped even further if Britain and Oman seal a deal to send the Persian Gulf nation about a squadron's worth of aircraft. The planes could be diverted from an existing RAF order; the question is whether they will then later be replaced, he said.

In 1990, the RAF had 33 fast-jet squadrons; in 2003, 17. Today, the number stands at 12: seven Tornado, three Typhoon and two Harrier squadrons, plus the offensive firepower of a growing fleet of Reaper UAVs.

By April, Britain will be down to eight fast-jet squadrons, thanks to the retirement of the Harriers and the shelving of two Tornado units.

The Tornado force has already been eroded by a covert 2009 order from the previous Labour administration to cut the number of crews in each squadron. But that number is expected to return to its previous level next year as squadrons are eliminated and crews shift around.

Those cuts, and others, were ordered by an October decision to ax defense spending over the next four years as part of a wider government plan to reduce public borrowing levels. The cuts bit deep into RAF capabilities; other reductions hit battlefield surveillance, maritime reconnaissance, helicopter transport and other capabilities.

"Six squadrons is the low point for the U.K.'s fast jet fleet," one analyst said. "You can expect that to recover a little as the Ministry of Defence bolsters its force of Joint Strike Fighters beyond the current level mandated in the new strategic defense and security review."

Bagwell was less sanguine. He called the first JSF squadron a "start point" and said more may come, but for the moment, "I expect a single squadron in 2020 and that's it."

Other senior RAF officers have said they aim eventually to operate around 100 F-35Cs, which will split their time operating from land bases and from the new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers being built for the Royal Navy.

Bagwell said the fast-jet cuts were challenging but manageable so long as the RAF is not tasked to do much more than its current deployments: Tornados to the NATO effort in Afghanistan, and Typhoons to quick reaction alert (QRA) forces in Britain and the Falkland Islands.

"Am I happy to be down at that number [eight squadrons] next April? No, it worries the hell out of me because it's a small combat air force," he said. "I can just about do Op Herrick [Afghanistan] and the QRAs. Can I do other things? Yes, but it is at risk.

"Actually, I am more worried about what other people think I can do tomorrow," he said. "The whole thing about procurement and posture is as much about long-term future deterrence and keeping the enemy on the back foot as it is about physically fighting. The deterrence and coercive effect of air power has somehow got lost in the noise."

Typhoon Questions

Bagwell said the RAF would likely ax its 55 Tranche 1 Typhoons by mid-decade because it would cost too much to bring them up to the required multirole standards offered by Tranche 2 and Tranche 3. That would mean the RAF Typhoon fleet would top out at 107 machines.

But the Typhoon fleet could shrink even further, Bagwell said.

The "great unknown in the plans is the awful lot of potential export customers," he said.

The proposed deal with Oman is in the final stages of negotiation; discussions are now underway about where those dozen or so aircraft might come from. The RAF's Typhoon force could fall further if the planes are diverted from the Air Force's order and are not replaced.

Difficulties in Britain's 72-plane sale to Saudi Arabia are creating more uncertainty. The first 24 are being diverted from the RAF's Tranche 2 order, and the service is to get more Tranche 3 aircraft instead. The other 48 are to be assembled in Saudi Arabia as part of an effort to build up local industry.

But industry sources said the plan has run into difficulties that raise questions about how Britain will fill the Saudi order.

Bagwell said options could include taking additional aircraft from the RAF production run and replacing them later.

"Should we get the buybacks out of Saudi Arabia and Oman as planned, we will be back to the number of Typhoons I need," he said. "At the moment, if I don't get the [Omani] buyback and this is under discussion ... it could take me down to 95 aircraft."

He said any changes to RAF deliveries would affect the service's ability to train crews.

A spokesman for BAE Systems, which is helping to build the aircraft, said he couldn't comment on Saudi issues.

Bagwell also revealed:

■ The 2011 planning round could change the timing of the upgrade of Typhoon jets to a full multirole aircraft. Dubbed the Future Capabilities Program 2, it will allow the jets to carry Storm Shadow, Brimstone and other weapons.

■ The decision to switch the planned purchase of short-takeoff, vertical-landing F-35Bs to the conventional carrier C version will give the Air Force a true deep-penetration capability.

■ The Sentinel R1 surveillance capability, to be axed by the government after the Afghanistan war, could be replaced through programs like the Scavenger UAV and new active electronically scanned array radars on Typhoon and JSF.

■ The 2011 planning round may speed up creation of the final two Typhoon squadrons, now slated for 2015, by as much as a year.

Bagwell told reporters that the date on which the RAF hits six squadrons would depend in part on Ministry of Defence decisions about the drawdown of the Tornado strike aircraft as Typhoons arrive.

"We still need to hold on to a portion of the Tornado force, and it will be a very important decision for the next defense review [expected in 2015] as to how the crossover is achieved between Typhoon and Tornado," he said. "My gut instinct is that we will need at least two or three Tornado squadrons at the 2017 point, keeping the squadron numbers at the six to eight figure."

The Tornado fleet is currently scheduled to retire in 2021. The government recently announced a reduction in the number of Tornados required to sustain ongoing operations, known as force elements, from 40 to 18 by 2015.

Elizabeth Quintana, head of air power and technology at the Royal United Services Institute, said she didn't think air power suffered worse in the cuts than many other sectors.

"The benefit is that unlike the Army [spared the worst of the cuts due to the war in Afghanistan], the Air Force now knows what its configuration is going to look like in the 2017-2020 timeframe," she said. "Where aircraft numbers are going in the future and what impact unmanned combat air vehicles might have is too early to say. F-35 and Typhoon give you more capable platforms but with fewer numbers."

She noted that synthetic training will reduce the number of aircraft kept off the front lines.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?c= ... &i=5211718

[Jhom]

Madre mía...

RAF Dropping to 6 Fast-Jet Units

Export Deals Could Further Cut Typhoon Force

By ANDREW CHUTER
Published: 11 Dec 2010 11:45

LONDON - Britain may halve its fast-jet fleet by 2020 or so, according to the commanding officer of the Royal Air Force's No. 1 Group.

"We are heading for five Typhoon squadrons and one JSF [Joint Strike Fighter] squadron," said Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell, who commands the RAF's air combat group. "It will be a six-squadron world; that's what's on the books."

That could mean 107 Typhoons, plus about 40 F-35C JSFs that support a large operational squadron of 20 to 25 crews, Bagwell said.

Typhoon numbers could be clipped even further if Britain and Oman seal a deal to send the Persian Gulf nation about a squadron's worth of aircraft. The planes could be diverted from an existing RAF order; the question is whether they will then later be replaced, he said.

In 1990, the RAF had 33 fast-jet squadrons; in 2003, 17. Today, the number stands at 12: seven Tornado, three Typhoon and two Harrier squadrons, plus the offensive firepower of a growing fleet of Reaper UAVs.

By April, Britain will be down to eight fast-jet squadrons, thanks to the retirement of the Harriers and the shelving of two Tornado units.

The Tornado force has already been eroded by a covert 2009 order from the previous Labour administration to cut the number of crews in each squadron. But that number is expected to return to its previous level next year as squadrons are eliminated and crews shift around.

Those cuts, and others, were ordered by an October decision to ax defense spending over the next four years as part of a wider government plan to reduce public borrowing levels. The cuts bit deep into RAF capabilities; other reductions hit battlefield surveillance, maritime reconnaissance, helicopter transport and other capabilities.

"Six squadrons is the low point for the U.K.'s fast jet fleet," one analyst said. "You can expect that to recover a little as the Ministry of Defence bolsters its force of Joint Strike Fighters beyond the current level mandated in the new strategic defense and security review."

Bagwell was less sanguine. He called the first JSF squadron a "start point" and said more may come, but for the moment, "I expect a single squadron in 2020 and that's it."

Other senior RAF officers have said they aim eventually to operate around 100 F-35Cs, which will split their time operating from land bases and from the new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers being built for the Royal Navy.

Bagwell said the fast-jet cuts were challenging but manageable so long as the RAF is not tasked to do much more than its current deployments: Tornados to the NATO effort in Afghanistan, and Typhoons to quick reaction alert (QRA) forces in Britain and the Falkland Islands.

"Am I happy to be down at that number [eight squadrons] next April? No, it worries the hell out of me because it's a small combat air force," he said. "I can just about do Op Herrick [Afghanistan] and the QRAs. Can I do other things? Yes, but it is at risk.

"Actually, I am more worried about what other people think I can do tomorrow," he said. "The whole thing about procurement and posture is as much about long-term future deterrence and keeping the enemy on the back foot as it is about physically fighting. The deterrence and coercive effect of air power has somehow got lost in the noise."

Typhoon Questions

Bagwell said the RAF would likely ax its 55 Tranche 1 Typhoons by mid-decade because it would cost too much to bring them up to the required multirole standards offered by Tranche 2 and Tranche 3. That would mean the RAF Typhoon fleet would top out at 107 machines.

But the Typhoon fleet could shrink even further, Bagwell said.

The "great unknown in the plans is the awful lot of potential export customers," he said.

The proposed deal with Oman is in the final stages of negotiation; discussions are now underway about where those dozen or so aircraft might come from. The RAF's Typhoon force could fall further if the planes are diverted from the Air Force's order and are not replaced.

Difficulties in Britain's 72-plane sale to Saudi Arabia are creating more uncertainty. The first 24 are being diverted from the RAF's Tranche 2 order, and the service is to get more Tranche 3 aircraft instead. The other 48 are to be assembled in Saudi Arabia as part of an effort to build up local industry.

But industry sources said the plan has run into difficulties that raise questions about how Britain will fill the Saudi order.

Bagwell said options could include taking additional aircraft from the RAF production run and replacing them later.

"Should we get the buybacks out of Saudi Arabia and Oman as planned, we will be back to the number of Typhoons I need," he said. "At the moment, if I don't get the [Omani] buyback and this is under discussion ... it could take me down to 95 aircraft."

He said any changes to RAF deliveries would affect the service's ability to train crews.

A spokesman for BAE Systems, which is helping to build the aircraft, said he couldn't comment on Saudi issues.

Bagwell also revealed:

■ The 2011 planning round could change the timing of the upgrade of Typhoon jets to a full multirole aircraft. Dubbed the Future Capabilities Program 2, it will allow the jets to carry Storm Shadow, Brimstone and other weapons.

■ The decision to switch the planned purchase of short-takeoff, vertical-landing F-35Bs to the conventional carrier C version will give the Air Force a true deep-penetration capability.

■ The Sentinel R1 surveillance capability, to be axed by the government after the Afghanistan war, could be replaced through programs like the Scavenger UAV and new active electronically scanned array radars on Typhoon and JSF.

■ The 2011 planning round may speed up creation of the final two Typhoon squadrons, now slated for 2015, by as much as a year.

Bagwell told reporters that the date on which the RAF hits six squadrons would depend in part on Ministry of Defence decisions about the drawdown of the Tornado strike aircraft as Typhoons arrive.

"We still need to hold on to a portion of the Tornado force, and it will be a very important decision for the next defense review [expected in 2015] as to how the crossover is achieved between Typhoon and Tornado," he said. "My gut instinct is that we will need at least two or three Tornado squadrons at the 2017 point, keeping the squadron numbers at the six to eight figure."

The Tornado fleet is currently scheduled to retire in 2021. The government recently announced a reduction in the number of Tornados required to sustain ongoing operations, known as force elements, from 40 to 18 by 2015.

Elizabeth Quintana, head of air power and technology at the Royal United Services Institute, said she didn't think air power suffered worse in the cuts than many other sectors.

"The benefit is that unlike the Army [spared the worst of the cuts due to the war in Afghanistan], the Air Force now knows what its configuration is going to look like in the 2017-2020 timeframe," she said. "Where aircraft numbers are going in the future and what impact unmanned combat air vehicles might have is too early to say. F-35 and Typhoon give you more capable platforms but with fewer numbers."

She noted that synthetic training will reduce the number of aircraft kept off the front lines.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?c= ... &i=5211718

Y tanto que madre mia, a este paso vamos camino de tener mejor fuerza aerea que el Reino Unido, como ya esta pasando con la armada, que a parte de los subs nucleares no tienen ventaja de ningunun tipo y en algun campo estan en clara desventaja...

[And...]

New RAF helmet allows missile aiming, targeting by sight

With the Striker Integrated Display helmet, RAF fighter pilots will be able to aim air-to-air missiles using their eyesight and target them by voice command.

http://news.carrentals.co.uk/new-raf-he ... 31563.html

[And...]

Airbus Military entregará en 2011 las primeras unidades de A330 MRTT


05/01/2011
(Infodefensa.com) Madrid - Airbus Military ha anunciado la entrega de los aviones de transporte y reabastecimiento en vuelo A330 MRTT para tres fuerzas aéreas en 2011. Las primeras unidades estarán destinadas a la Real Fuerza Aérea de Australia, la Royal Air Force británica y la Fuerza Aérea de Arabia Saudí.

Además, según recoge Aviaçao Militar, durante el mes de noviembre, cerca de 25 pilotos de cazas F-16A/Bs de la Fuerza Aérea de Portugal han recibido entrenamiento de reabastecimiento en vuelo realizando más de 70 contactos con y sin combustible y con diferentes configuraciones de armamento, incluyendo contactos con el sistema Boom en una aeronave de la Fuerza Aérea saudita.

El proceso de entrega del primer avión para la Fuerza Aérea australiana está en marcha, con la entrega prevista tras concluir con la revisión de toda la documentación y actividades completadas.

El avión A330 MRTT Future Strategic Transport Aircraft británico ha completado una serie de contactos en seco, en ejercicios de simulación con el caza español F/A-18 Hornet.

El modelo de aeronave para reabastecimiento en vuelo es el mimso que el ofrecido por EADS North America, en este caso el KC-45, para el programa KC-X por el que pugna con Boeing, un contrato valorado en 35.000 millones de dólares.

El Ejército del Aire saudí recibirá la primera aeronave A330 MRTT a finales de 2011. La primera unidad se encuentra en proceso de pintura y debe efectuar los primeros vueos completos en 2011. Otro cliente son los Emiratos Árabes unidos que recibirán un primer avión en 2012, actualmente en montaje en las instalaciones de Airbus Military en la localidad madrileña de Getafe.

http://www.infodefensa.com/?noticia=air ... zas-aereas

[Anderson]

Madre mía...

Pobres Ingleses estimado Mauricio. Ya cuento casi 20 fuerzas aéreas más poderosas que la RAF antes del 2015. Quién lo creyera.

Me pregunto cómo diablos cayeron en semejante embrollo. Por que Dios sabe que los pésimamente manejados programas del Thypoon y del Grizzly han hecho mella en su bolsillo, ¿pero tanto así?

[And...]

Madre mía...

Pobres Ingleses estimado Mauricio. Ya cuento casi 20 fuerzas aéreas más poderosas que la RAF antes del 2015. Quién lo creyera.

Me pregunto cómo diablos cayeron en semejante embrollo. Por que Dios sabe que los pésimamente manejados programas del Thypoon y del Grizzly han hecho mella en su bolsillo, ¿pero tanto así?

Cuando comenzo el Siglo XXI eran la 4 economía del mundo sino estoy mal y nadie discutía que Gran Bretaña tenia las fuerzas armadas más poderosas de Europa, y que la Royal Navy tenía la segunda mejor ala embarcada del mundo.... pero la crisis económica que les pego bastante fuerte a ellos, los gastos de la guerra de Irak y Afganistán, a eso sumarle los sobre costos que tuvieron la mayoría de sus programas militares llevaron al Reino Unido a la actual situación.

Basta nada más nombrar el F35b y los portaaviones de la Clase Reina Isabel, los destructores tipo 45 etc...... y pensar que hace 10 años eran la 4 economía del mundo y tal vez las tercera fuerza militar más poderosa del planeta, repito mi tal vez!!

Pero no hay que exagerar 15 fuerzas aéreas más poderosas??? también es cierto si todo lo anterior paso en 10 años me parece a mi que la economía británica se recuperara y tal vez de aquí a 2020 veamos un Reino Unido fortalecido, todavía son una gran economía mundial y sus fuerzas armadas sin duda de primer orden.

Saludos.

[maximo]

Por que Dios sabe que los pésimamente manejados programas del Thypoon y del Grizzly han hecho mella en su bolsillo, ¿pero tanto así?

Es que centrarse en el Grizzly y el Thyphoon.... Los brutish han querido ser superpotencia, metiendose a tope en las guerras de Afganistan e Iraq. Esas factyuras hay que pagarlas. Ademas que de todos sus programas militares, no son precisamente esos los peores. Sus submarinos nucleares son un sumidero de dinero que cuesta casi tanto como tdoo lo demas junto. Sus Type 45 han salido tan caras que no pueden ni instalarle los misiles, ni siquiera los de superficie. Vamos, que van armadas unicamente con un cañon. Si, si... el cañon sera su unico armamento en los proximos años. Sumalee que ya estan construyendo dos portaaviones enormes en los que llevan invertidos tanto dinero que resulta mas caro pararlos y han preferido segir adelante con ellos aunque no vayan a tener aviones en diez años. Las dos playas de metal mas caras del mundo.
En lo aereo, pues han invertido mucho en el A400 y aun mas en el EFA. Pero al menos el A400 les va a dar trasnportes y el EFA les esta dando aviones. Tambien han invertido la intemerata en el JSF... Para que resulte que el motor que diseñaban no se vaya a construir y que los retornos industriales se queden en agua de borrajas. Tanto es asi que han decidido no comprar F-35 en la proxima decada.

O sea, que centrar todos los problemas de los brutish (y no hemos hablado de su desastrosa politica economica neoliberal) en los dos unicos programas que les van a entregar justo lo que les pidieron...

[And...]

Por que Dios sabe que los pésimamente manejados programas del Thypoon y del Grizzly han hecho mella en su bolsillo, ¿pero tanto así?

Es que centrarse en el Grizzly y el Thyphoon.... Los brutish han querido ser superpotencia, metiendose a tope en las guerras de Afganistan e Iraq. Esas factyuras hay que pagarlas. Ademas que de todos sus programas militares, no son precisamente esos los peores. Sus submarinos nucleares son un sumidero de dinero que cuesta casi tanto como tdoo lo demas junto. Sus Type 45 han salido tan caras que no pueden ni instalarle los misiles, ni siquiera los de superficie. Vamos, que van armadas unicamente con un cañon. Si, si... el cañon sera su unico armamento en los proximos años. Sumalee que ya estan construyendo dos portaaviones enormes en los que llevan invertidos tanto dinero que resulta mas caro pararlos y han preferido segir adelante con ellos aunque no vayan a tener aviones en diez años. Las dos playas de metal mas caras del mundo.
En lo aereo, pues han invertido mucho en el A400 y aun mas en el EFA. Pero al menos el A400 les va a dar trasnportes y el EFA les esta dando aviones. Tambien han invertido la intemerata en el JSF... Para que resulte que el motor que diseñaban no se vaya a construir y que los retornos industriales se queden en agua de borrajas. Tanto es asi que han decidido no comprar F-35 en la proxima decada.

O sea, que centrar todos los problemas de los brutish (y no hemos hablado de su desastrosa politica economica neoliberal) en los dos unicos programas que les van a entregar justo lo que les pidieron...

también tiene los misiles ASTER... y de aquí al 2019 embarcarán f35c y dos portaaviones de 65 mil toneladas y 7 u 8 no recuerdo submarinos nucleares de ultima generación... con dos de esos hunden a toda la AE.

Ellos no se creen, son potencia mundial!

[solrac1]

si no encallan en Finisterre

[And...]

si no encallan en Finisterre

pueden encallar 5 si quisieres.... los otros dos la hunden!!