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Lo que hay que hacer es suprimir todas las "autonomías" y retrotraerse al tratado de Tordesillas

urquhart escribió:Hola a todos

Maguila, el asunto es que uno de los argumentos que presenta Argentina es

Por otro lado, España firmó un acuerdo con el ya Reino Unido, en que las ISlas, en caso de abandono de éstas por España, antes que ser enajenadas a una tercera Potencia, pasarían a la Corona Británica... es que estaban dando por saco en Oregón, y habia que firmar de una vez los límites entre ambas Coronas.

Ese documento me parece que no existe , por lo menos por parte Española no hay constancia que se firmara y los Hijos de la Gran Bretaña aunque en ocasiones dijeron que ellos si lo tenían de haberlo tenido ya lo hubieran esgrimido .

ARTICLE VI

It is further agreed with respect to the eastern and western coasts of South America and the islands adjacent, that the respective subjects shall not form in the future any establishment on the parts of the coast situated to the south of the parts of the same coast and of the islands adjacent already occupied by Spain; it being understood that the said respective subjects shall retain the liberty of landing on the coasts and islands so situated for objects connected with their fishery and of erecting thereon huts and other temporary structures serving only those objects.

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SECRET ARTICLE

Since by article 6 of the present convention it has been stipulated, respecting the eastern and western coasts of South America, that the respective subjects shall not in the future form any establishment on the parts of these coasts situated to the south of the parts of the said coasts actually occupied by Spain, it is agreed and declared by the present article that this stipulation shall remain in force only so long as no establishment shall have been formed by the subjects of any other power on the coasts in question. This secret article shall have the same force as if it were inserted in the convention.

ñugares escribió:"Este artículo secreto tendrá la misma fuerza que si estuviese inserto en el convenio"

Francamente , no se que validez tiene ese articulo secreto que no esta en el convenio original .

Un saludo .

Maguila escribió:¿Un tratado así se mantendría cuando los británicos irrumpen a sangre y fuego en Buenos Aires y en Montevideo, territorios españoles?

Their Britannic and Catholic Majesties being desirous of terminating, by a speedy and valid agreement, the differences which have lately arisen between the two Crowns, have considered that the best way of attaining this salutary object would be that of an amicable arrangement which, setting aside all retrospective discussions of the rights and pretensions of the two parties, should regulate their respective positions for the future on the bases which would be conformable to their true interests as well as to the mutual desires with which Their said Majesties are animated, of establishing with each other, in everything and in all places, the most perfect friendship, harmony, and good correspondence. With this in view they have named and constituted for their plenipotentiaries, to wit, on the part of His Britannic Majesty, Alleyne Fitzherbert, of the privy council of His said Majesty in Great Britain and Ireland, and his ambassador extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary to His Catholic Majesty; and on the part of His Catholic Majesty, Don Joseph Moñino Count of Floridablanca, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Spanish Order of Charles III., counsellor of state to His said Majesty, and his principal secretary of state and of the cabinet, who, after having communicated to each other their full powers, have agreed on the following articles: